The INTERNET ESQUIRESM
Open Directory FAQ

Archive-name:dmoz.org/Bookmarks/N/netesq
Posting-Frequency:none
Last-modified:2000-03-17 01:25:36
URL:http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/N/netesq/faq.html
Category:http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/N/netesq/

Table of Contents

Introduction
     1.1  What is a FAQ?
     1.2  Who wrote this FAQ and why?
     1.3  What is this category?
     1.4  What is INTERNET ESQUIRESM?
     1.5  How can I contact you?
     1.6  How is this FAQ organized?
Frequently Asked Questions about ODP Editall netesq
     2.1  What ODP categories do you edit?
     2.2  How long have you been an ODP Editor?
     2.3  How long have you been an ODP Editall?
Frequently Asked Questions about ODP from ODP Users
     3.1  I'd like to submit a site to a category where there is no editor listed. Where will the submission go?
     3.2  How many listings is too many? I have a competitor who has a number of listings in related categories. I would like to be everywhere he is, but I don't want to push my luck. Where should the line be drawn on multiple submissions?
     3.3  How does the ODP Search Engine determine URL placement?
     3.4  I know of an ODP editor who seems to be abusing his or her editing privileges. What should I do?
     3.5  I'm thinking of joining ODP. Is there anything that you think I should know?
     3.6  I'd like to use ODP data on my Web site. What do I need to do?
     3.7  What are the legal ramifications of using ODP data on my Web site?
ODP Culture: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions from ODP Editors
     4.1  Advice for New ODP Editors
          4.1.1  I'm a new ODP editor, do you have any advice?
          4.1.2  Is there any technical literature available for the various editor's tools?
     4.2  Editor Consultation
          4.2.1  I've just joined a category for which you are also listed as an editor. Is there anything that you think I should know?
          4.2.2  What ODP categories do you feel that you have a vested interest in?
          4.2.3  I've just signed up to edit one of the categories that is downstream from you. Is there anything that you think I should know?
          4.2.4  How and when should I consult with you?
          4.2.5  What rules of engagement do you follow when consulting with other editors?
          4.2.6  Does ODP have any rules or guidelines as to what I can and can't do within my Bookmarks/ category?
          4.2.7  Okay, so what another ODP editor does with his or her bookmarks is his or her own business, but what if I know of an ODP editor who is doing something that I think is wrong? What should I do about it?
     4.3  ODP FAQs and Category Descriptions
          4.3.1  Who uses ODP Category FAQs? Does the public see them, or are they for and from other editors?
          4.3.2  Isn't the category description there to explain what a category and its subcategories are all about? Is there an example of a specific ODP Category FAQ other than about ODP?
     4.4  Miscellaneous Questions from ODP Editors
          4.4.1  I've found a site that I'd like to delete. Do you have any advice on how I should handle this?
          4.4.2  What are "@links," and what are they used for?


1   Introduction
1.1   Q: What is a FAQ?
A: A FAQ is an institution on the Internet, a compilation of answers to Frequently Asked Questions (abbreviated FAQ) that constitutes a collective community memory.
by netesq at 1999-06-11 15:51:30
1.2   Q: Who wrote this FAQ and why?
A: Me, David F. Prenatt, Jr., aka INTERNET ESQUIRE,SM one of the editalls for the Open Directory Project, which is commonly referred to as ODP. I wrote this FAQ to answer any questions that anyone might have while viewing my Bookmarks category on ODP and to share information about ODP that I think might be interesting or useful.
by netesq at 2000-01-26 20:06:42
1.3   Q: What is this category?
A: This category is my personal bookmarks category, which I use primarily as a repository for URLs that I might want to list in one of the other public ODP categories, but it is also a convenient location for me to place URLs that I find interesting or useful, and several of my bookmark subcategories are reserved for problem URLs. This last group of categories for problem URLs will pop up as cross-references whenever an ODP editor tries to add one of my problem URLs to one of his or her categories.
by netesq at 1999-06-22 03:55:51
1.4   Q: What is INTERNET ESQUIRESM?
A: INTERNET ESQUIRESM is my servicemark and fictitious business name. For more information, please visit my web page at http://Welcome.to/InternetEsquire.
by netesq at 1999-06-22 03:51:43
1.5   Q: How can I contact you?
A: I can be reached by e-mail at NetEsq@dcn.davis.ca.us, by snail mail at:

David F. Prenatt, Jr.
Internet Esquire SM
P.O. Box 74632
Davis, CA 95617-5632
U.S.A.

or by fax at:

(909) 363-8035 [in California];
or (810) 958-2534 [in Michigan]

by netesq at 1999-07-20 00:31:17
1.6   Q: How is this FAQ organized?
A: At the present time, this FAQ is divided into four major categories.

  • The first category is this introduction;

  • The second category answers questions about me as an ODP editall;

  • The third section answers questions about ODP that I receive from ODP users; and

  • The fourth section answers questions about ODP that I receive from ODP editors.

    by netesq at 2000-01-26 20:40:09
    2   Frequently Asked Questions about ODP Editall netesq
    Note: Most of the information found in this section is available on my ODP Editor's Profile page.
    2.1   Q: What ODP categories do you edit?
    A: A complete list of the ODP categories that I currently edit can be found on my ODP Editor's Profile page. Formerly, my editing privileges also gave me the ability to edit any and all subcategories for the various categories where I was listed as an editor-in-residence. Presently, my editall status gives me the ability to edit any and all ODP categories.
    by netesq at 2000-01-26 20:09:24
    2.2   Q: How long have you been an ODP Editor?
    A: My application to join ODP was granted on May 13, 1999 17:37:13 OST (ODP Standard Time) in the category Society: Law: Legal Research.
    by netesq at 1999-06-11 19:25:06
    2.3   Q: How long have you been an ODP Editall?
    A: Unbeknownst to me, the powers that be (specifically, ODP Staff Member jiwasaki) granted me editall/catmv privileges on 18/Jan/2000 at 17:00:24. As I noted previously, these editing privileges give me the ability to edit any and all ODP categories.
    by netesq at 2000-01-26 20:17:58
    3   Frequently Asked Questions about ODP from ODP Users
    3.1   Q: I'd like to submit a site to a category where there is no editor listed. Where will the submission go?
    A: [Note: The answer to this question is a compilation of answers posted to the Search Engine Forums by the moderator of the Open Directory Project Forum karenweber.
    (See http://searchengineforums.com/Forum19/HTML/000007.html.)
    (Edited for continuity and to include html tags.)]

    Just submit it. It will go to an editor in the category above it. An ODP editor has what's called an Editor Dashboard. We can see all the unreviewed sites in every category downstream from us. A higher level editors can see lots and lots of green numbers indicating unreviewed sites. There is some debate about whether editors should swoop down from above to review those submitted sites or whether they should allow the sub-category editors time to get there and edit in a category they are expert in. There are pros and cons on both sides of that debate. I doubt there's ever going to be a hard and fast rule. So just submit it even if there's no editor there. Someone will still be seeing it.

    The actual unreviewed site isn't on the Editor Dashboard. Just a green number telling an editor how many unreviewed sites there are. The editor has to go to the edit page for the category where the URL was submitted. There is a link on that page to unreviewed sites. Once the editor enters the unreviewed sites area, there is a link to each of the submitted sites as well as a link to the edit screen.

    Once you click the edit button and are at the edit screen, you will get a little more information. For instance, you can see if a site is already listed in the ODP. You can see where it is and can even import the title and description from the other category if you want. There is also spot for the editor to make a note that other editors can see when reviewing the URL in other categories. Editors also search the ODP before adding to make sure that a different URL or doorway page hasn't been added already. So if you spam the directory, you may not be found out right away, but if you are found out, you can be branded a spammer, cast out, and listed only in the spammer category. I don't recommend it.

    In general, ODP editors are trying to be evenhanded in dealing with multiple submissions. We understand that people may not really know that submitting to the Hotbot directory, the Lycos directory, the Netscape directory, and dmoz.org are all the same thing. So we try to allow for some cluelessness. But if someone really pulls a fast one, trying to get listed a whole bunch of time with doorway pages, etc., they shouldn't expect to be treated well.

    You can see the spam URLs in this category: Computers: Internet: WWW: Searching the Web: Directories: Open Directory Project: Tools for Editors: Spam URLs.

    You can see screenshots of the Editor Dashboard and other editing screens in the ODP Editor Tutorial, which is listed in ODP at Computers: Internet: WWW: Searching the Web: Directories: Open Directory Project: Tools for Editors: New Editors.

    by netesq at 1999-07-20 19:01:39
    3.2   Q: How many listings is too many? I have a competitor who has a number of listings in related categories. I would like to be everywhere he is, but I don't want to push my luck. Where should the line be drawn on multiple submissions?
    A: There are no hard and fast rules about multiple submissions of URLs to ODP. If you have any questions or concerns about submissions to a particular ODP category, contact one of the listed editors-in-residence of that category; if there is no listed editor-in-residence, go to the next highest level in the directory.
    by netesq at 1999-07-15 19:48:02
    3.3   Q: How does the ODP Search Engine determine URL placement?
    A: This subject came up in the ODP Editor Forum a while back, and someone suggested that this sort of information might be subject to abuse, which it might be. Accordingly, I'd like to see the algorithms of the ODP Search Engine kept as secret as possible. (But see http://www.etymon.com/Isearch/ (URL for the Isearch Search Engine used by ODP).) I think that the best way to get an ODP listing where you want and how you want is to submit a good URL with a title and description that will not inspire an ODP editor to modify it. For more information on the standards that ODP editors follow, take a look at ODP Editor stewart's work, "ODP Editing: The Quick & Dirty Guide." ( http://www.lunula.com/odp.html.)
    by netesq at 1999-07-20 18:28:36
    3.4   Q: I know of an ODP editor who seems to be abusing his or her editing privileges. What should I do?
    A: A select group of ODP editors known as "editalls" have volunteered to investigate such complaints. As a group, editalls are the most qualified and highly respected ODP editors, and they have been entrusted by ODP staff with special editing privileges that help them investigate allegations of abuse. You can contact these editors by sending an e-mail to odp-abuse@egroups.com.

    by netesq at 1999-07-20 00:40:50
    3.5   Q: I'm thinking of joining ODP. Is there anything that you think I should know?
    A: Yes. ODP is getting stricter and stricter about who can become an editor, so compose a personal statement that is highly polished and succinctly narrates your qualifications to edit the particular category for which you apply to become an editor.
    by netesq at 1999-06-13 03:03:01
    3.6   Q: I'd like to use ODP data on my Web site. What do I need to do?
    A: Anyone can use ODP data on their Web site pursuant to the terms of Netscape's Open Directory License. [Note: The data is freely available at the Open Directory RDF Dump link page.] However, proper acknowledgement is required. To this end, a number of freeware and commercial software packages are available for those who wish to use and/or customize ODP data. For more information, please see Computers: Internet: WWW: Searching the Web: Directories: Open Directory Project: Use Of ODP Data: Upload Tools.
    by netesq at 2000-01-26 21:04:21
    3.7   Q: What are the legal ramifications of using ODP data on my Web site?
    A: I am not qualified to answer this question, but I am happy to refer you to my friend and colleague Timothy J. Walton, Esq. He has carved out a niche for himself with a Web based Internet Law Practice. His Web address is http://www.netatty.com/. I recommend him wholeheartedly and without reservation.
    by netesq at 2000-01-26 20:26:03
    4   ODP Culture: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions from ODP Editors
    4.1   Advice for New ODP Editors
    4.1.1   Q: I'm a new ODP editor, do you have any advice?
    A: Well, since you asked, yes. First of all, before you do any editing whatsoever, read ODP Editing: The Quick & Dirty Guide. Second, be mindful of the fact that your actions as an ODP editor may have perverse, unintended consequences for ODP, so be sure to consult with your fellow ODP editors. Specifically, seek the advice of the some 38 ODP editalls who have been entrusted by ODP staff with special editing privileges. (See List of meta-editors.) Editalls are the most highly qualified and experienced group of ODP editors.
    by netesq at 1999-06-19 12:19:04
    4.1.2   Q: Is there any technical literature available for the various editor's tools?
    A: In a word, no. But I have started compiling my own FAQ on the subject. (See Tools for Editors FAQ.) Not only is it unofficial, it is not really intended for public consumption. Nonetheless, anyone who is interested in reading it is welcome to do so. As always, comments and questions are welcome.
    by netesq at 1999-09-06 08:30:38
    4.2   Editor Consultation
    4.2.1   Q: I've just joined a category for which you are also listed as an editor. Is there anything that you think I should know?
    A: Yes. While no editor owns any category, I feel that I have a vested interest in all of the categories that I choose to maintain, so if you have not already done so, please read ODP Editing: The Quick & Dirty Guide. That having been said, some of the categories that I am currently editing are in the middle of a rework and others I am maintaining simply because they overlap with one of my categories-of-interest. If you have signed on to edit one of the categories that I am maintaining because it overlaps with one of my categories-of-interest, I am more than happy to let you take primary responsibility for editing that category and/or resign as an editor of that category. In any event, you might wish to join one of the ODP Editor Consultation eGroups that I have set up.
    by netesq at 1999-07-20 00:43:40
    4.2.2   Q: What ODP categories do you feel that you have a vested interest in?
    A: In alphabetical order, the major ODP subcategories that I feel I have a vested interest in are: In addition to these major subcategories, I feel that I have a vested interest in some of the other subcategories that are downstream from these subcategories where I am also listed as an editor-in-residence. Otherwise, I would leave these categories open for someone else to claim. Once again, however, no ODP editor owns any ODP category, and I welcome any and all help that I can get, so if you see me listed as an editor for a category that you want to join, please don't let that stop you from requesting permission to edit that category.
    by netesq at 1999-07-13 09:55:31
    4.2.3   Q: I've just signed up to edit one of the categories that is downstream from you. Is there anything that you think I should know?
    A: No. I am a die-hard libertarian, and I will generally take a hands-off approach with all editors who are editing categories where I am not listed as an editor. In other words, you probably won't hear anything from me outside of the ODP Editor Forum unless I think that you have committed some major screwup or ethical violation, in which case I will probably contact you by e-mail and ask you to explain your actions. On the other hand, if you would like me to review your work and make suggestions, I will be happy to do so, but there are many other ODP editors who are much more qualified than I am to advise you. (See Open Directory Project: Tools for Editors: Asking for Help.)
    by netesq at 1999-06-17 01:32:39
    4.2.4   Q: How and when should I consult with you?
    A: Use your own good judgment. I do not have the right to tell you what to do. That's the job of ODP staff. Moreover, I do not pretend to be able to second-guess every situation where editor consultation is appropriate. That having been said, please e-mail me at NetEsq@dcn.davis.ca.us if you have joined a category and/or subcategory of any of my categories-of-interest. Additionally, you might wish to join one of the ODP Editor Consultation eGroups that I have set up. That way, I will be able to consult with you if and when I feel that I need to do so.
    by netesq at 1999-07-13 10:27:02
    4.2.5   Q: What rules of engagement do you follow when consulting with other editors?
    A: First and foremost, if I am not listed as an editor-in-residence for a particular category (or a higher level category which gives me the ability to edit that category), I do not have much reason to interact with the editor(s)-in-residence of that category outside of the ODP Editor Forum. For instance, I might want to consult with the editors-in-residence of the various Regional subcategories, but e-mailing every single one of them would be inconvenient -- and in many instances unwelcome. Thus, I feel that the Editor Forum is the most appropriate form of editor consultation. Similarly, if I am the only listed editor-in-residence for a category, I feel no obligation to consult with anyone, but if I feel that I need input from other editors before I can make a decision, I will use the Editor Forum to solicit advice.

    As an editor-in-residence of several second-level categories, I feel obliged to consult with many of the editors-in-residence of the lower-level subcategories where I have editing privileges before I do any editing whatsoever in their categories. As a matter of simple courtesy, I would expect that most other editors who have editing privileges in one of the categories where I am named as an editor-in-residence would show me the same consideration, but that is a judgment call that other editors are usually better qualified to make for themselves. Specifically, many editors with editall privileges will "edit first and ask questions later," which (IMHO) is usually totally appropriate [unless they add a site to a category where I am listed as an editor-in-residence without putting it in unreviewed first]. If you do something that I don't like in one of the categories where I am listed as an editor-in-residence, you will probably receive an e-mail from me. This is true even if you are also listed as an editor-in-residence, unless I decide that it would be easier for me to simply fix the damage.

    Another situation where I think editor consultation is appropriate is when I am contemplating category moves/renames/merges or any sort of category restructuring that might impact another editor. In such instances, I will usually e-mail the editors whose categories or subcategories will be affected as well as posting an RFC ("Request for Comments") to the appropriate area of the Editor Forum. [BTW, unless you really know what you are doing, don't take it upon yourself to carry out the restructuring of any categories even if everyone who might be affected by the change seems to be in agreement with what you are doing. There are all sorts of problems that can arise, so consult with an editall as how best to proceed with major category changes.] Other editors have suggested that the time frame for noticing and completing such a procedure should be at least two weeks, but I don't think that such a time frame is always appropriate, especially when the affected categories in question are little more than smoking craters comprised largely of spam and rubberstamp edits, but (once again) this is a judgment call.

    The trickiest issue is that of when editor consultation is truly unnecessary or inappropriate. I respectfully submit that when an ODP editor is missing-in-action, has seriously neglected a category for which he or she is listed as an editor-in-residence, and/or periodically signs on and simply rubber-stamps the unreviewed sites in his or her categories-of-interest, consultation is entirely unnecessary. [This can be determined by viewing the editing logs.] I also respectfully submit that when a category has no editor currently assigned to it, editor consultation is entirely unnecessary. And finally, anything that you do within the category of your personal Bookmarks/ is nobody else's business. Just ask the self-appointed Bookmark Cop ODP Editor mitch.

    by netesq at 1999-09-06 05:24:10
    4.2.6   Q: Does ODP have any rules or guidelines as to what I can and can't do within my Bookmarks/ category?
    A: Absolutely not. According to an opinion rendered by ODP Staff Member tolles, unless you are breaking the law, whatever you do within your Bookmarks/ category is no one else's business. (See Why an Organized ODP wouldn't work., Item 128 (opinion rendered by tolles during heated discussion in ODP General Editor Forum).)
    by netesq at 1999-09-06 05:26:21
    4.2.7   Q: Okay, so what another ODP editor does with his or her bookmarks is his or her own business, but what if I know of an ODP editor who is doing something that I think is wrong? What should I do about it?
    A: Once again, use your own good judgment. However, I think you would be wise to mind your own business. As a general rule, simple misunderstandings between ODP editors have enormous potential to mushroom into mean-spirited dog fights, and I respectfully submit that accusations of serious abuse of editorial discretion have no place in the ODP Editor Forum. Such public accusations are nothing less than slanderous, and they should not be made or tolerated.

    If you think that another ODP editor is doing something that is wrong, allegations of serious editor misconduct should only be made to ODP staff or those editors whom you might wish to consult with privately before notifying staff of your suspicions. (E.g., co-editors-in-residence for categories where the editor in question has editing privileges, affected editors-in-residence of higher and lower level categories, and the wise and wonderful meta-editors.) Complaints to staff are a matter of right, if not duty, whereas editor consulation is an option for those who wish to act in good faith and give their fellow editors the benefit of the doubt. This option seems to comport with the hands-off management philosophy of ODP staff, the heart of which seems to be to let ODP editors work things out for themselves whenever possible.

    If this option appeals to you, I recommend that you contact one of the editalls who has volunteered to investigate allegations of serious abuse by ODP editors rather than report someone to staff@dmoz.org. (See http://www.nwprod.com/odp/abuse.mv (form for submitting allegations of serious editor abuse).) As an occasional inadvertent perpetrator of false accusations (as well as a recurring victim), I prefer to reserve judgment whenever it is possible to do so. God waits until your dead to judge you; I can wait at least that long.

    Having said my piece, do I still think that unfounded allegations of serious editorial abuse will continue to be made in the ODP Editor Forum? But of course! This is how mob rulers obtain their power. But it doesn't have to be that way. And you don't need to be part of the problem.

    by netesq at 1999-07-20 01:10:25
    4.3   ODP FAQs and Category Descriptions
    4.3.1   Q: Who uses ODP Category FAQs? Does the public see them, or are they for and from other editors?
    A: The public does in fact see the ODP Category FAQs, and this FAQ is for the general public as well as for ODP editors. Please see my ODP Bookmarks page for an example of how to prominently display a reference to an ODP Category FAQ as a "cool site" link and for a description as to this FAQ's purpose.
    by netesq at 1999-06-13 03:18:13
    4.3.2   Q: Isn't the category description there to explain what a category and its subcategories are all about? Is there an example of a specific ODP Category FAQ other than about ODP?
    A: See the ODP Category FAQ for Regional: US: California and compare it to the Category Description for Regional: US: California.
    by netesq at 1999-06-13 03:11:47
    4.4   Miscellaneous Questions from ODP Editors
    4.4.1   Q: I've found a site that I'd like to delete. Do you have any advice on how I should handle this?
    A: Once again, you should use your own good judgment. However, I will be happy to share my strategy for handling "problem" URLs. (See generally Bookmarks/N/netesq/Problem_URLs/.)

    The mission of the ODP is to build the largest and most comprehensive directory on the Internet, so before you delete a site, you should ask yourself why you think it doesn't belong on ODP. Of course, if the site is already listed in the category to which it has been submitted, it is a multiple submission and should be deleted -- no questions asked. But you may want to take this opportunity to review and/or revise the current site listing.

    Then there's the question of whether a site belongs in the category where it has been submitted. What I do is move it to the appropriate category, attaching an ODP Editor's note. (E.g., "Site is not in English; moved from Computers/Consultants to World/ .") If the site in question is already listed in the appropriate category, then I simply delete it from the category where it doesn't belong and attach an ODP editor's note as to where it was submitted and deleted. Finally, if the site is what I consider a "problem" URL, I move it to the Problem URLs subcategory of my bookmarks. (See Bookmarks/N/netesq/Problem_URLs/.)

    If and when another ODP Editor receives another submission for a site that I have deleted, he or she will be able to review my ODP editor's notes. Similarly, other ODP editors will see cross-references to my Problem_URLs subcategories if and when a site is resubmitted. And, of course, I will be able to keep track of the hundreds (if not thousands) of "problem" URLs that I have reviewed. My strategy of keeping "problem" URLs in my bookmarks also gives me the opportunity to reconsider whether such sites should be listed in the main ODP directory and comports with ODP's mission of being the most comprehensive directory on the Internet.

    by netesq at 2000-03-17 01:25:34
    4.4.2   Q: What are "@links," and what are they used for?
    A: When you are logged in as an editor and viewing one of your categories, you will see a list of your subcategories, some of which may have an @ sign as a suffix. These "subcategories" are not really subcategories; they are horizontal "symlinks" to another related category of ODP, and you can add one of these links in any one of your categories by clicking on the last (fictional) subcategory on the list of subcategories, "[Add @link]." Then you will be prompted for the path name (e.g.,, "Society/Law/Law_Enforcement") and the @link name (e.g., "Law_Enforcement"). If you have editing privileges in the symlinked category, it appears as a hyperlink on your editing screen; otherwise it appears black.
    by netesq at 1999-06-19 03:40:06

    Help build the largest human-edited directory of the web!
    Open Directory Home:http://dmoz.org/
    About the Open Directory:http://dmoz.org/about.html
    This FAQ:http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/N/netesq/faq.html
    Open Directory Category:http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/N/netesq/

        Copyright © 1998-2000 Netscape